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Try the following! Cheers Geoff My settings/Geoff Cox/27.3.94 After much help from many different people I can now double click on cello and other apps and tcpman loads and autodials, connection is made and cello etc run. When finished tcpman logs off and closes down. It's brilliant!! The following notes may be helpful to anyone still not quite there!! DIRECTORIES (i) winsock files are in c:\int\twsk (ii) cello files except cello.ini are in c:\int\cello (iii) cello.ini is in c:\dos (and pointed to in autoexec.bat) (iv) twsk, cello and dos are in the autoexec.bat path statement. MODEM I am using a Hayes Ultra 14400. INTERNET CONNECTION I am using a SLIP connection over the Demon Systems Ltd system in London UK using Peter Tattam's Winsock's internal SLIP. PROGRAMS FROM (i) winsock latest release from Peter Tattam petros.psychol.utas.edu.au in pub/trumpet/winsock/pre-release as winsock.zip (ii) cello latest pre-release version of cello.zip from ftp.law.cornell.edu in pub/LII/Cello and latest cello.exe from pub/LII/Cello/prerel 1. TCPMAN DIALLING (i) LOGIN.CMD # # initialize modem # output atzm0\13 input 10 OK # # set modem to indicate DCD # output at&d2&c1\13 input 10 OK\n # # send phone number # output atdt0813434848\r # # my other number # #output atdt241644\13 # # now we are connected. # #input 30 CONNECT # # wait till it's safe to send because some modem's hang up # if you transmit during the connection phase # #wait 30 dcd # # now prod the terminal server # #output \13 # # wait for the username prompt # input 30 ogin: username Enter your username output \satro\r # # and the password # input 30 assword: password Enter your password output \my password\r # # we are now logged in # input 30 otocol: # # see who on for informational reasons. # output SLIP\r input 30 HELLO (ii) BYE.CMD display \rDisconnecting....\r sleep 1 output +++ sleep 1 output ath0\r input 10 OK\r display \rDisconnected..\r 3. WINSOCK TRUMPWSK.INI [Trumpet Winsock] ip = 158.152.8.198 netmask = 0.0.0.0 gateway = 0.0.0.0 dns = 158.152.1.65 time = 158.152.1.65 domain = demon.co.uk vector = 00 mtu = 1500 rwin = 4096 mss = 1460 slip-enabled = 1 slip-port = 3 slip-baudrate = 65307 slip-handshake = 1 slip-compressed = 1 dial-option = 2 online-check = 1 inactivity-timeout = 5 slip-timeout = 1 registration-name = "" registration-password = "h[G?"Rgl" 4. CELLO CELLO.INI [Cello] FetchGraphics=yes EMail=geoff@satro.demon.co.uk MailRelay=gate.demon.co.uk AutoSearchBox=no HomePage=c:\int\cello\default.htm BookmarkFile=c:\int\cello\cello.bmk StyleFile=c:\int\cello\cello.sty LowWaterMark=500000 Bullet=43 NNTPServer=news.demon.co.uk TN3270=c:\int\qws3270\qws3270 #h AnchorsUnderlined=no Editor=c:\windows\notepad.exe DLDir=c:\int\cello\download CacheDir=c:\int\cello\cache WaisGate=http://info.cern.ch:8001/ FTPShortList=no Telnet=c:\int\trmptel\trmptel #h [Extensions] gif=c:\psp\psp.exe ^.gif jpg=c:\int\cello\viewers\gv057.exe ^.jpg [Geometry] StartupWidth=640 StartupHeight=480 StartupX=0 StartupY=0 5. AUTOEXEC.BAT SET PCPLUS=C:\pcplusn C:\PSPLUS3\MEISCAN7 /Va1 /P100 C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE 2048 128 @ECHO OFF PROMPT $p$g subst z: c:\int\waisman\waisman3 PATH c:\int\twsk;z;C:\int\wmos;c:\int\qvt395;\int\CELLO;C:\DOS; C:\WINDOWS;c:\Q;C:\BAT;C:\ALDUS SET cello=c:\dos SET TMP=C:\TMP SET TEMP=C:\TEMP SET QVTHOST_DIR=c:\int\twsk SET HOME=c:\demon\pcelm SET SNEWS=c:\demon\nos\spool\snews lh KEYB UK,,C:\DOS\KEYBOARD.SYS lh DOSKEY lh C:\WINDOWS\mouse.COM /Y cls ver echo -------------------------------------------------------- echo If you haven't plugged in the mouse yet please do so and echo press the reset button, otherwise:- echo -------------------------------------------------------- echo Type WIN and press Enter to start Windows echo or echo type DOSSHELL and press Enter to start the MS-DOS shell echo -------------------------------------------------------- rem rem Remove the REM from one (only) of the following lines rem to automatically start the DOS Shell or Windows REM DOSSHELL mirror verify on REM C:\DOS\SHARE.EXE /L:500 C:\DOS\SHARE.EXE /l:500 /f:5100 c:\f-prot\virstop Newsgroups: demon.ip.winsock From: paul@paulwork.demon.co.uk (paul evans) Path: satro.demon.co.uk!demon!paulwork.demon.co.uk!paul Subject: Beginner's Guide: DRAFT Version 5 Organization: none Reply-To: paul@paulwork.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 845 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 17:27:02 +0000 Message-ID: <763579622snz@paulwork.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk What follows is the revised version that I have been promising for some time. I am still checking some points. All comments and corrections gratefully received. I will post the final version and upload it next week end. WINSOCK BEGINNER'S GUIDE Version 5 (DRAFT) 12 March 1994 Editor Paul Evans CONTENTS 1. INTRODUCTION 2. BASIC HARDWARE AND OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS 3. OUTLINE OF HOW TO DO IT 4. FIRST THINGS 5. SOFTWARE THAT YOU NEED AND WHERE TO GET IT 6. SETTING UP THE BASIC SOFTWARE 7. THE OTHER APPLICATIONS 8. DICS and NEWS AND MAIL 9. PROBLEMS AND DEVELOPMENTS 10. FURTHER EDITIONS AND HOW TO CONTRIBUTE 11. EDITORS, CONTRIBUTORS AND REVISION NOTES Annexe A LISTS of FILES Annexe B GUIDANCE ON OPERATING SYSTEMS Annexe C DICS TIPS AND PROBLEM REPORTS 1 INTRODUCTION 1.1 Most of the standard Internet functions (getting files via FTP, getting news and mail etc) can be handled with Windows programs. There are some functions, especially browsers for the World Wide Web, that are much better as Windows programs, or can only effectively be used with Windows. 1.2 To run Windows programs connected to the internet you need an interface program. Winsock is an implementation of an agreed interface of the Berkeley socket library. This means that any one can write windows programs that can use TCP/IP in a standard manner. Many different winsock.dll(s) can be obtained from the many vendors of TCP/IP stacks. This document concentrates on the winsock written by Peter Tattam. Why? Because it is shareware and because it is very good. However most of the remarks in this text apply equally well to other vendors winsock(s). 1.3 This Guide is therefore designed to get novices started using Windows related programs to talk to the Internet via Demon. It assumes that you have successfully used the DIS front end and the main elements of the Internet; ie ftp, telnet etc. It assumes that you are familiar with the basic running of Windows eg setting up new program groups etc. 1.4 It assumes no knowledge of detailed underlying technical features and is organised on the basis of trying to devise instructions which should work in most situations. There are many detailed ways of setting up programs. This Guide only aims to get you started; you will need to read the documentation that comes with each of the programs and make some choices yourself. You may also find that some of the versions of the programs listed here may have disappeared; there are usually later versions in the same directory in Demon. Look for the latest dates. 1.5 There is a minimum package of programs which you need to make it worth bothering: the WINSOCK itself, which operates with a program called TCP MANAGER; DICS, which gets your mail and news from Demon in a way that allows you to use the DIS mail and news readers; CELLO, which is the introduction to the World Wide Web; and WS_FTP, because its so good and convenient. 2 BASIC HARDWARE AND OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS 2.1 The aim is to identify programs which will work on standalone 386 or 486 PCs (the main applications are unlikely to work well on lower specifications) with around 4Mb of memory, with MSDOS v5 or MSDOS v6 and Windows 3.1 (ie not network based systems). These will be running a dial up connection to DEMON on a standard COM port. 2.2 If any elements of the planned software setup need special features we will identify them. Most of this seems to work with the standard serial port chip and does not require the fast UART. See Annexe B for comments on other operating systems. 2.3 For a basic starting system (which is the Winsock program, DICS and Cello) you need about 1.5MB of free disk space. You will rapidly find a use for much more! 3 OUTLINE OF HOW TO DO IT 3.1 You need to go through the following steps: Set up some directories to hold the programs during the process and a directory to use to run the programs. Set up a PATH command to point to that "operating" directory (Section 4) Download the programs from Demon and place them into those directories (Section 5) Unzip the programs and move the necessary bits into the "operating" directory Set up Windows icons to use for the programs Configure each of the basic programs (Section 6) GO :-) 4 FIRST THINGS 4.1 It is convenient to have a directory structure that looks like this for holding the files after you have downloaded them and while you unzip them, partly so that you can see if you get all the right files and partly so that any files with common names do not overwrite (eg READ.ME files are common). In practice you can put almost all the working files in one directory. c:\int\twsk [for Trumpet winsock] c:\int\dics [for DICS goes] c:\int\cello [this is where cello goes!] c:\int\ws_ftp [for ws_ftp] and then further directories for any further applications. 4.2 Make a further directory (or use c:\int) for the "operating" directory into which you can put all the files you need once the unzip is complete. You can use c:\demon (or wherever you have your Demon files) if you wish. 4.3 In your PATH in your AUTOEXEC.BAT command include that "operating" directory. You can also include the command SET CELLO = c:\<directory with cello.ini>. 5 SOFTWARE YOU NEED AND WHERE TO GET IT 5.1 You need to download the necessary files by FTP (remember to set binary, and hash is convenient). The files are on Demon unless noted otherwise. FTP to FTP.DEMON.CO.UK. You need at least the basic things and one of the applications. 5.2 The basic things: TATTAMS WINSOCK (VERSION 1 Release A) directory /pub/ibmpc/winsock/stacks/trumpwsk file twsk10a.zip There are beta versions of the next release around but reports of problems. DICS VER3.7: DIALUP INTERNET CONNECTION SERVICES In Directory /pub/ibmpc/winsock/apps/dics eg file dics37an.zip || | || ---n=new installation || u=update | -----minor revision number ------major revision number For a new installation you may need TWO files: Get the highest number "an" available. If there is a higher number au file get that too. 5.3 The applications: CELLO (version 1.0) A BROWSER FOR WORLD WIDE WEB directory /pub/ibmpc/winsock/apps/cello file cello.zip TATTAM'S WINAPPS: SOME MINI APPLICATIONS directory /pub/ibmpc/winsock/stacks/trumpwsk file winapps.zip IRC A RELAY CHAT CLIENT directory /pub/ibmpc/winsock/apps/wirc file wirc101.zip WS_FTP: A WINDOWS FTP PROGRAM directory /pub/ibmpc/winsock/apps/winftp file ws_ftp.zip WINMOSAIC: A DIFFERENT BROWSER directory /pub/ibmpc/winsock/apps/wmosaic file wmos20a.zip WSGOPHER: A gopher client directory /pub/ibmpc/winsock/apps/wsgopher file wsg-09g.exe WSARCHIE: An archie client directory /pub/ibmpc/winsock/apps/wsarchie file wsarchie.zip Unzipping and moving the files 5.4 Unzip each of the files (you should have Unzip in your package of stuff from Demon and some .exe files like wsgopher are selfextracting ie just run them). When you unzip the DICS files do the lower number (an) file FIRST then the higher number (au) file. The list of files that should appear for the three main items is shown in Annex A. 5.5 Set up a windows icon for each program. This is easiest done by opening a new window which can be called Internet, and dragging the tcpman.exe, dics.exe, cello.exe (or whichever application you have chosen) to this new window. 5.6 After being unzipped, the following files should be copied to the following directories: To the "operating directory" o all *.exe files o all *.ini files o the HOST file o all the .cmd files o all cello.* files o clohelp.hlp and default.htm files o the dicsubat.bat file To /Windows/system o all *.dll files o all wsanet.* files 5.7 All other unzipped files may be left in the directories to which they had been moved after being downloaded. Although the guide in this document should enable the beginner to start to use winsock applications, you will find it very helpful to read the various unzipped document text descriptive and/or installation files. 6 SETTING UP THE BASIC SOFTWARE Information 6.1 To get through the whole process you will need the following information; where there is < > you should use values of your own. About Hardware Your serial port: <COM1> netmask 255.255.0.0 your baud rate <19200> About Demon Your name and machine <paul>@<paulwork>.demon.co.uk Your password <pass> Your address 158.152.<a.b> Gate address 158.152.1.65 Configuring TCPMAN 6.2 Start TCPMAN within Windows. Click menu bar FILE then SETUP on drop down menu. 6.3 Enter: your address in IP address 158.152.<a.b> netmask 255.255.0.0 default gateway, 158.152.1.65 name server 158.152.1.65 time server 158.152.1.65 Domain suffix demon.co.uk 6.4 Check the Internal slip box (this "greys out" the net mask and default gateway options but ungreys (!) some of the later options) 6.5 Set SLIP Port, Baud rate and Hardware handshake to the same values as you used in configuring the Demon software. 6.6 Then set TCP mss 512 mtu 576 TCP rwin 2048 6.7 Click OK 6.8 Click OK on message "You will need to restart......" 6.9 Close TCPMAN with FILE EXIT 6.10 Edit your hosts file (in your winsock directory) eg with NOTEPAD to include your own host and that of gate as follows: 127.0.0.1 localhost <<Do not delete this entry 158.152.1.65 gate.demon.co.uk 158.152.<21.8> <aman.demon.co.uk> <Replace with your IP address and hostname [Need to add the bits about adding other things to help DICS start] 6.11 Edit the login.cmd file. This can be done from within TCPMAN (use menu bar DIALLER then EDIT SCRIPTS) or via NOTEPAD. This may be somewhat fussy, as the entries may differ from modem to modem. Two examples are given below. The docs give details on the scripting language. Example 1 output atdt0813434848\r input 30 ogin: output <your login name>\r input 30 assword: output <your password>\r input 30 otocol: output slip\r input 10 HELLO Example 2 echo on trace on output atz\r input 5 OK\r output atm0&d0\r input 5 OK\r output atdt0813434848\r input 30 ogin: output <satro>\r input 30 assword: output <my password>\r input 30 otocol: output SLIP\r input 10 HELLO 6.12 As extracted from the twsk.zip file, login.cmd includes an explanation of what individual lines are about, as well as a suggested working login.cmd file. The TWSK install.txt file explains how to set up this login script file. 6.13 You may need to edit the bye.cmd script as well to get your modem to close down gracefully. Example of BYE.CMD display \rDisconnecting....\r sleep 1 output +++ sleep 1 output ath0\r input 10 OK\r display \rDisconnected..\r Configuring DICS 6.14 Read DICS.DOC which will be in the directory where you unzipped dics30an.zip and dics37au.zip. This tells you how to get started and where to move the files. You can start DICS off line (ie without having dialed) - to do this it is best to follow the procedure to include in your HOSTS file an entry for gate.demon.co.uk and see the further advice in the tip from Mark in Annexe C; if you DON'T do this DICS will be very slow so be patient. 6.15 You will first get a dialogue box (Demon File Location) asking for the location of your demon configuration files. This will be where files like autoexec.net are to be found. Enter the full path eg. C:\<DEMON> and click on ok. 6.16 DICS will then start up. The individual windows will fail to work but the SETUP window should show all the correct file names and your name. CHECK THESE. Check that the individual setups for mail and news contain correct information. Click on save and then on close to shut down DICS. Beware - this can operate slowly as DICS can be doing things in the background without the hourglass showing on Windows. 6.17 This may be enough to get you started. However double-check the paths in your dics setup that have been obtained from your DIS configuration files. In particular it is worth replacing any relative paths with the fully qualified path.eg: replace spool\mqueue with C:\demon\spool\mqueue. If you make any changes ensure DICS does NOT update from the configuration each load (clear the check boxes in Main Setup) 6.18 Check the "Start Server BEFORE Time Kick" box in SMTP Server Setup Details. You may clear this box once you are sure everything is working correctly AND IF you need your incoming mail guarenteed to be accurately timed to within afew seconds. If you then experience problems receiving mail check it again. 6.19 Because Demon attempts to deliver mail very soon after your slip connection is established, it is recommended that DICS is not manually started. If the first delivery is not successful, because the DICS SMTP Server is not ready, Demon will not attempt to deliver mail until some time later and MAY not deliver at all for the current session. GO 6.20 This should now work. Double click on TCPMAN, then click DIALLER then LOGIN. You should see the script running in the TCPMAN window. The normal Demon welcome messages will appear. You can then start any or all of the applications. 6.21 When you are satisfied that things are working it is useful to go back to TCPMAN and set it for auto operation. Click DIALLER on the menu bar, then OPTIONS. Check the preferred button and enter 2 (for minutes) into the Slip timeout box. Close down TCPMAN. From now on you should be able to double click on any of the applications; that will fire up TCPMAN and make the connection. 7 THE OTHER APPLICATIONS Cello 7.1 Once you have started Cello, click on the picture window covering the Cello window. It will disappear and you will have a scrollable document with some bits in dotted boxes. Look for the one labelled University of Minnesota Gopher. Click on that and you should see the status line at the bottom show connecting. Then the menu from the Gopher will come up. From then on click away and items should be fetched. 7.2 The only essential thing to configure in Cello is your mail address: CONFIGURE: MAIL ADDRESS and enter your full address: <paul@paulwork>.demon.co.uk>. 7.3 CELLO has very good HELP and is easy to follow. You can FTP and TELNET from within it. Mosaic 7.4 This is similar the CELLO but does not print at all or download very well. In some ways the display is better. WSGopher 7.5 Create an icon for the wsgopher.exe file in the normal way (File/New in Program Manager). Double click on the icon to start up WSGopher. You do not need to start Winsock to customise it. 7.6 The WSGopher program screen will show the traditional menu list and icon bar at the top of the screen. Select Configure/Home Gopher Server from themenu bar. This will allow you set up the gopher server WSGopher looks for when the program is next started up. You may enter the name of any gopher site in the box: try gopher.ic.ac.uk (for Imperial College), or more generally, gopher.tc.umn.edu will list all the Gopher sites in the World. If you regularly use many sites, leave these boxes blank (see bookmarks, below). 7.7 Next, select Configure/Local Directories. You can set where downloads will go and the location of temporary files. WSGopher currently includes no on-line help. However, the only other main features are Bookmarks and Viewers. Press Alt-E or select Bookmark/Edit Bookmarks or click on the Book icon (second from the left). A list of the more popular Gopher sites and services is shown in the dialogue box. For example, you can select a site from the list and click on the Fetch button to go straight to that page, rather than having to go through several layers of menus. 7.8 WSGopher allows searches and navigation in parallel, so you can be downloading a file while still searching through the Library of Congress catalogue and viewing a weather map. To view downloaded files, you need to set up associations either with the File Manager or using Configure/Viewers. For instance, if you have all .GIF files associated with Paintshop Pro, when a GIF file is downloaded, it will start up PSP and show the file, while still carrying on with other downloads in the background. WS_FTP 7.9 This seems to work with very little effort. Most requirements are obvious. 8 NEWS AND MAIL VIA DICS 8.1 DICS provides a way of running the routine connections to Demon under Windows. It will send outgoing mail; collect your incoming mail (into your multiple mailboxes if you have them); get news and operate the time correction. The version 3.7 can be left to operate as configured. 8.2 BUT it is not a newsreader: you need to run DICSUBAT (see the DICS documentation) to run the unbatch process just as DIS does when you exit from the net connection. This will drop you into the Snews program when it is finished (you will find that you are treated as the previous user of SNEWS and cannot change on the fly). When you exit that you will be back in Windows. 8.3 NOR is it a mail reader/writer. You will have to do that in DIS/PCElm or any other program you use. You can run the DIS programs in a DOS box under windows to make access easier. 8.4 The advantage is that you can now run a complete Windows on-line session using Cello, WS-FTP or whatever while DICS will make sure that all the routine stuff happens. 8.5 There is a wish list in the news group for DICS developments ! 8.6 Work is underway on porting the offline parts of news and mail to Windows. 9 PROBLEMS AND DEVELOPMENTS 9.1 First indications are that the main problems are at the level of basic communications ie getting the modem settings right. Read MODEM.TXT, part of the DIS documentation. But things that work under DOS and DIS do not always work under Windows. 10 FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND HOW TO CONTRIBUTE 10.1 This note started as a record of my attempts to get WINSOCK started. It will continue as I follow up ideas for further programs. I am happy to have suggestions for items to include. Some of the programs have documentation of their own, of varying quality, and this should be consulted first. If it is worth getting a quick summary of some key starting points together on any program then suggest it; and offer contributions! 10.2 I suggest the following approach on problems: If you get stuck with something obviously not working post a message to the demon.ip.winsock group. It helps a lot if you can explain exactly what your configuration is and how you got to the point where it is stuck. The technical contributors (ie not me) read the group and will offer suggestions. If this shows up a general problem we will include the answer in a revised note. On DICS problems mail Mark Gibbons (see Annexe C for a problem report note). If you find anything that looks like a fundamental flaw in the instructions here post a message to the group on the thread with this in, preferably with a redraft. I will pick up and include in revisions. Minor corrections and suggestions to me by email please paul@paulwork.demon.co.uk. 11 EDITORS, CONTRIBUTORS AND REVISION NOTES Editor Paul Evans Contributors Mark Gibbons, Roger Pfister, Geoff Cox, Rob Heyes, David Lewin, Paul Harrington, Neville Wilford, Ian Crowe, Ian Bultitude, George Sobala, Mark Bestley, Marcus Bainbridge, Chris Ames, Martin Beenham and others. Acknowledgements To those above who slogged through the earlier editions and most thanks to those who wrote the programs!. Attribution for some individual passages follows so that queries can be handled appropriately. REVISION NOTES VERSION 5 Rewritten to drop the use of a separate dialler Updating of versions Special thanks to Jules who has been trying to work out what v4 was saying! VERSION 4 DICS added New approach to path and directory structure OS/2 option added More on applications VERSION 3 Cleared out many of the minor errors and typos from the first version. Added Annexe A Simplified the instructions on PATHS Added some more applications ACCESS AND AVAILABILITY This is the plain text version. It will be posted to demon.ip.winsock from time to time. The text is also available by FTP from /pub/ibmpc/winsock/DIS_docs on DEMON Other formats may be included there. __________________________________________ ANNEXE A When you unzip the various files for the three main programmes you should get the following: CELLO 1024-768.STY 1872 17/02/94 08:48 640-480 .STY 936 17/02/94 08:42 800-600 .STY 936 17/02/94 08:54 CELLO .BMK 2048 17/02/94 08:35 CELLO .EXE 532211 17/02/94 17:41 CELLO .INI 643 17/02/94 17:28 CELLO .SIG 122 17/02/94 08:53 CELLO .STY 1872 16/02/94 11:06 CELLO .ZIP 327236 13/03/94 12:29 CLOHELP .HLP 373685 17/02/94 16:35 DEFAULT .HTM 6333 17/02/94 08:41 README .1ST 7212 17/02/94 17:27 VIEWERS .ZIP 359833 13/03/94 12:34 DICS DICS .DOC 3554 31/12/93 07:04 DICS .EXE 81724 30/01/94 13:32 DICS .ICO 766 17/01/94 22:13 DICS30AN.ZIP 391642 13/03/94 12:24 DICS37AU.ZIP 79976 13/03/94 12:25 DICSHIST.TXT 7663 30/01/94 13:18 DICSUBAT.BAT 1031 11/12/93 20:00 MAIL .WAV 58434 18/01/94 19:13 MAILNEWS.ICO 766 17/01/94 22:41 MAILONLY.ICO 766 17/01/94 22:45 MCI .VBX 30112 21/10/92 MSAFINX .DLL 31744 28/04/93 NEWS .WAV 58434 18/01/94 19:28 NEWSONLY.ICO 766 17/01/94 22:47 READDICS.1ST 1166 23/12/93 23:21 VBRUN300.DLL 394384 28/04/93 WSANET .HLP 105693 21/12/93 22:59 WSANET .VBX 40400 21/12/93 23:05 WINSOCK BUGS .LST 9535 03/03/94 00:44 BYE .CMD 58 10/01/94 20:06 DISCLAIM.TXT 662 02/02/94 23:39 HOSTS . 153 13/08/93 09:10 INSTALL .DOC 48117 02/02/94 23:33 INSTALL .TXT 60278 02/02/94 23:33 LOGIN .CMD 1172 10/01/94 20:05 PINGW .EXE 26368 08/02/94 21:35 PROTOCOL. 441 07/07/93 19:46 README .MSG 364 02/02/94 00:38 SERVICES. 2840 09/10/93 17:12 TCPMAN .EXE 94464 03/03/94 00:36 TWSK10B-.ZIP 135634 12/03/94 17:06 WINPKT .COM 3516 01/10/93 21:50 WINSOCK .DLL 102400 03/03/94 00:36 ANNEXE B OTHER OPERATING SYSTEMS Windows for Workgroups This seems to work ok at least in standalone mode. (Geoff) OS/2 GUIDANCE This is from: Chris Ames <amesc@nwlife.demon.co.uk> It means nothing to me but hope it helps any OS/2 people. Program and path: C:\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2\WINOS2.COM Session: DOS full screen In the settings notebook: COM HOLD ON DOS AUTOEXEC C:\INT\DEMONNET.BAT DEMONNET.BAT: @ECHO OFF ECHO. PROMPT $i$p$g REM SET DELDIR=C:\DELETE,512; PATH C:\OS2;C:\OS2\MDOS;C:\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2;C:\INT\TWSK;C:\; LOADHIGH APPEND C:\OS2;C:\OS2\SYSTEM SET TMP=C:\ SET TEMP=C:\TEMP SET CELLO=C:\INT\CELLO LOADHIGH DOSKEY FINDFILE=DIR /A /S /B $* DOSKEY EDIT=QBASIC/EDITOR $* REM SET DIRCMD=/A ANNEXE C DICS TIPS AND PROBLEMS Reporting problems COPY OF MARK GIBBONS' MESSAGE D I C S ial-up nternet onnection ervices VERSION 3.4 ~~~~~~~~~~~ DICS is now at a stage where it is "quite" stable. There are still a few problems to be ironed out, and most of these, unfortunately, are of the "difficult to diagnose" variety! So that patterns can be detected (if there are any) it is important when reporting a problem to give the FULLEST possible detail. THIS IS FOR EVERYONES BENEFIT - THE SOONER WE ARE DOWN TO 0 PROBLEMS THE BETTER. I would suggest that the following detail be given * DICS Version # * A copy of your DICS.INI file * WSANET.VBX file date and time stamp * Winsock Type and version # * MS Windows version # * A description of the problem * The processor and speed + memory config of your machine * Your Modem type and whether you have a 16550 * The Date and Time the problem happened ALSO for news problems * The number of news articles expected * The number received before the problem * The groups you were trying to pull at the time (Details or a copy of your NNTP.DAT would be nice) * Is the problem repeatable and if so at the same place * What is the last 4 lines of output in the news window when the NNTP trace level is set to 4. * The value of your News Kicks parameter - i.e. the number of seconds between each kick ALSO for mail * Details of what you were expecting to happen * Details of what actually happened * The last 4 lines of output in the server window when the Server trace level is set to 4 - this if the problem is repeatable. IF there is any detail which you think would help in solving a problem the PLEASE include it. I am sorry if this seems like a lot of detail - PLEASE help by finding the time to fill in a report properly. I can assure you that it takes longer for me to deal with a problem than it would for you to fill in the details!! :) :) COPY OF MARK's OTHER MESSAGE D I C S ial-up nternet onnection ervices DICS TIP #1 - Starting DICS Offline ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you try to run DICS when not connected to the Internet you will find that it *SEEMS* to hang when attempting to get the time. It has'nt actually hung but is waiting for the Winsock to resolve "gate.demon.co.uk". Since it can't connect to the nameserver it stops until the winsock TimesOut on the connection. A Workaround ~~~~~~~~~~~~ To get around this - so that you can *ALWAYS* start DICS whether online or not - (useful offline to change settings) - you should put an entry for "gate" in your winsock hosts file as follows: gate.demon.co.uk 158.152.1.65 Then the winsock does not need to refer to the Demon nameserver to resolve "gate" and therefore does not hang. The connection will fail, the time will not be fetched and so DICS will *NOT* autokick the rest of the services. At this point you can enter setup and change any params etc. If however you then kick news or mail you will find DICS locks again - because a lookup has been requested of the Demon nameserver. To avoid this you can add entries for news and post as follows: news.demon.co.uk 158.152.254.254 (corrected CPE) post.demon.co.uk 158.152.1.72 The drawback to making these entries is of course if Demon ever changed the addresses of these machines you would have to alter your hosts file. As this does not happen very often, it's not much of a drawback! (But it did just after that was written CPE) -- Geoff Cox London Docklands' SATRO South London Science & Technology Centre Wilson Road London SE5 8PD +44 81 644 8046 geoff@satro.demon.co.uk From news@bigblue.oit.unc.edu Sun Mar 27 02:52:03 1994 Received: from bigblue.oit.unc.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA21970; Sun, 27 Mar 1994 14:41:57 -0500 Received: by bigblue.oit.unc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29623; Sun, 27 Mar 1994 14:12:36 -0500 Received: from GATEWAY by bigblue with netnews for winsock@sunsite.unc.edu (winsock@sunsite.unc.edu) To: winsock@sunsite.unc.edu Date: 27 Mar 94 10:52:03 PST From: rkobenter@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca Message-Id: <1994Mar27.105203.3680@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca> Organization: BC Systems Corporation Sender: ses References: <7.8969.365.0N5C9D9C@cld9.com>, <1994Mar25.090313.3667@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca>, <phayes.206.2D94A32A@tamu.edu> Subject: Re: MS VxD-based 32-bit TCP/IP...winsock... SERIALIZATION In article <phayes.206.2D94A32A@tamu.edu>, phayes@tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) writes: >>BUT, NetManage has taken the correct approach to the rest of their apps >>(as has SPRY and FRONTIER and others), they have written to WinSock. > > ...Well, I just tried this experiment. > > - Unloaded the NEWT and Chameleon TCP/IP stuff from my WFWg network. > - Installed the new MS VxD TCP/IP and got it to work. > - Ran all my generic winsock apps (Eudora, Trumpet, etc) just fine. > - Crashed the Netmanage (v4.0) apps (telnet, ftp, ping). > - Crashed my (NEWT-bundled) PC-X server, > even after reinstalling to use a generic winsock TCP/IP vice NEWT. > >>So if you want to try a VxD stack then go and get the MS-VxD and layer WinSock >>apps such as NetManages' on top. > > ...Yes, get MS' TCP/IP, use generic winsock apps, _BUT_ certain vendors' > "winsock-compatible" apps may work only with those vendors' stacks. The > Netmanage apps I have were looking specifically for NEWT, didn't > find it, and crashed. Same with our NEWT-bundled PC-X. > >>My guess is that vendors will bring out their own VxDs because of things such >>as NFS and areas not currently covered in WinSock. > > ...I read in an earlier article that Netmanage was _NOT_ moving to VxD > until Chicago became the defacto standard OS. > > Heh! > > "Hey, Netmanage, the train is leaving..." > >>However, they will probably start un-bundling their apps from their stacks > for those people who want to run over the 'defacto' standard Microsoft TCP/IP > > ...I think NCD will sell PC-X as a stand-alone product to work with > most TCP/IP stacks; as well as bundled with Netmanage stuff. > > >>On the other hand, I am hearing that we can expect non-MS VxD stacks to be >>Windows 3.1x compatible, > > ...non-WFWg (i.e.- 16-bit) Windows is a dead-end. Why would vendors develop > 32-bit stuff for a 16-bit OS? I don't think so. > >>whereas the MS=VxD currently appears only to >>work in a WfWg scenario. So if you are not a WfWg user then the choice is clear >>and at the moment there are only two solutions: Frontier and the PD VxD stack. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ...If you're talking about the MS stack, I don't think the MS VxD stack > will install on regular (non-WFWG) Windows. At least, not without a _ton_ > of finagling. If you want to be doing TCP/IP or NFS or other networking; > you shouldn't be using a non-WFWg Windows. Get with the program! > > >>Robert > > Pat > -- > Pat Hayes, Meteorology, Texas A&M University *** whoop! *** > phayes@tamu.edu <<--email---U$Mail-->> TAMU,CS,TX,77843-3150 > "...yankee by birth...Aggie by the grace of God..." * B U T ** is this not what we expected? I mean the DLL version (as opposed to the Chameleon/D version) of the Netmanage apps are serialized to the NewT stack. Yes the apps are WinSock (easy to prove) but the serialization is the problem, get the apps from ChameleonD and I figure it should work. Its long been a sore spot with me all the serialization, I hope that the likes of FTP and SPRY and FRONTIER seriously look at the way they licence their apps for the Microsoft VxD stack. So far I prefer the FTP scheme (if a licence is necessary at all) of having it in the PCTCP.INI in clear text. Agreed this can pose problems, but the possibility when weighed against the advantages are numerous robert kobenter rwkobent@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca Victoria BC Canada ---disclaimer--- comments are mine and not necessarily shared by the posting organization